gwen: let's go gown to ohio where mitt romney is tonight as we -- let's go down to ohio where mitt romney's speaking. is it true that ohio is what all of this turns on? >> i would say yes. right. but we have been surprised so many times in elections. and it was in 2004, i remember i was in columbus, ohio in 2004. and, you know, i guess i'd have to predict that the president will win it for the very reasons amy was saying. gwen: ooh, ooh. that's scary. you made a prediction. i've got it on tape. i can roll it back. i wonder if it plays into that demographic divide. is it the example of what we're talking about? >> well, it's actually different -- >> why? >> well, the white vote falls differently in the state of ohio than it does in other places. blue collar whites -- >> the auto bailout. >> the auto bailout, the fact that mitt romney opposed to auto bailout and also his characteristics as a very wealthy financial executive who has been pounded by democratic adds in a concentrated way, that sort of changed the chemistry of that state which the presidents have never won the presidency without